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| Trez |
 Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Quirk - Scarper |
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Basic – Scarper – 1 Willpower to activate
The Kemp Household are somewhat lacking in moral habits and their tom-foolery can often land them in trouble. They seem to have the ability to avoid anything serious though, as somehow they silently slip away
whenever the real trouble starts. It’s almost as though the universe alters things slightly so that the Noble is no longer in the line of fire. If the character believes that they are in a dangerous situation they can escape
using their Noble Quirk. If at any point no-one is looking at them they can use their Quirk by calling “Scarper” and drop out of character (use the “Clenched fist on head” symbol). If they are being watched at
all, then they may not use this power (anyone who sees it must immediately state that they are observing the character), so it may be necessary to cause some kind of diversion in order to take people’s attention away from them. They then have up to 30 seconds to move to wherever they wish, ignoring all obstacles, locked doors etc.
Their point of re-appearance must likewise not be in the line of sight of any other character, and they may not move or act for 5 seconds whilst their bodies adjust to being in the new location. For the period where
the character is moving to their new location they should place their hand on their head to indicate that they are not there In Character.
Advanced – Neverthere – 1 Willpower to activate
As above but the character can call “Neverthere” and disappear in full sight of everyone. Furthermore those that are present will not even recall that the character was there. They will effectively wipe all knowledge
of the Kemp ever being present.
Scarper is basically a short range teleportation ability. The character can call Scarper, but their hands on their head, so that they're OOC and then have 30 seconds to move wherever they like. They're no allowed to do it people are looking at them, and the place where they re-appear has to be out of sight of other people.
IC its the Kemps ability to get out of trouble. Rather than it being a teleportation as such, its rather that the Underside allows the Kemps to go back in time and take another path. So whilst they actually walked into the room and were ambushed by Lord Lewes men, they can activate Scarper / Neverthere and time re-jigs it, so they actually didn't do in the door but walked back to the Market instead
Funny questions.......
Q) Can you resist Scarper / Neverthere
A) No. Its a teleportation that would effectively be rendered useless if it could be resisted. Especially in larger groups where if only one person resists the the Noble is stuck. Its not a resistable Quirk
Q) Why didn't Lady Petunia Kemp just use her Neverthere power to avod being taken by Lord Lewes
A) This did occur to us when we were writing the plot. There are IC reasons as to why Lady Kemp couldn't use that Quirk
Q) Whilst I'm using Scarper can I spy on people or places?
A) No. Whilst you're using Scarper / Neverthere you are effectively OOC, and anything you observe, hear etc is OOC knowledge. Once you've moved to your new position, you can see everything around you, but whilst you're "in transit" you are OOC
Q) If someone is holding on to me, but not looking at me can I use Scarper?
A) If someone is in physical contact then you cannot use Scarper. Whilst we use the phrase "looking at you", we essentially mean paying attention to you. So if they're not actually starting at you but are keeping a tight grasp then this will prevent you from using Scarper.
You can use Neverthere even if someone is holding onto you
Q) What if I'm in chains, and a "leash" is held by someone else?
A) In these circumstances, the person isn't in direct contact with you, so you CAN use the Scarper / Neverthere abilities
Q) Can I move through locked doors etc?
A) Yes, you can. However the location have been accessible before you activated the Quirk. As Scarper is meant to be the Kemp being put somewhere else instead of the place they actually went to, then they must have been able to get there in the first place.
If the door slams shut behind them as they walked into the ambush they wouldn't normally be able to escape. However if they hadn't walked into the room, then the door woldn't have locked behind them, so they can go through it
This is opposed to, say, the Undersiders find Lord Kemps secret base. He's barricaded himself in the room, so the Kemp uses Scarper to get in there. This wouldn't be possible as they wouldnt have been able to get in there in the first place
Hopefully that makes sense
Q) Can you take people with you when you Scarper / Neverthere?
A) No
Q) If I use Neverthere, and some of the people are watching me and some aren't, will those who aren't watching me remember that I was there?
A) No. Using Neverthere, everyone forgets that you were there, even if they weren't paying attention. Essentially time has re-jiggled itself so that the Kemp was never actually present. You'll remember conversations you've had and who you spoke to, but won't remember that the person you had the conversation with was present at that time.
Q) If I use Advanced Fade to make people think I am someone else, then use Neverthere what happens?
A) People will remember that they had a conversation with someone else. If that person is present, then they will assume that they've just had the conversation with them. If they're not present then they'll assume that they had the conversation at an earlier date, or dreamed it or something
Q) If I go into a room, pick up an item and then Scarper / Neverthere, do I get to keep the item?
A) Yes. Despite the fact that time has re-jigged itself, for some reason you still have the item. Its not logical but that the underside for you
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| G Kemp |
| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Quirk - Scarper |
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| Trez wrote: |
Scarper - They then have up to 30 seconds to move to wherever they wish, ignoring all obstacles, locked doors etc.
Q) Can I move through locked doors etc?
A) Yes, you can. However the location have been accessible before you activated the Quirk.
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So effectively Scarper can let you get to anywhere you could have got to if you had used the last 30 seconds differently, but you can't actually ignore obstacles? i.e. I can get through a door that was unlocked within the last 30 seconds but not thru a door that has been locked for hours?
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Advanced – Neverthere – They will effectively wipe all knowledge of the Kemp ever being present.
Q) If I use Neverthere, and some of the people are watching me and some aren't, will those who aren't watching me remember that I was there?
A) No. Using Neverthere, everyone forgets that you were there, even if they weren't paying attention. Essentially time has re-jiggled itself so that the Kemp was never actually present. You'll remember conversations you've had and who you spoke to, but won't remember that the person you had the conversation with was present at that time.
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So basically people don't forget you so much as re-timestamp the knowledge? They assume the actions occured at some other time? So any actions they may hate you for they still hate you for?
I originally read it as more a "It wasn't you" effect, as they forget YOU ever being present and react accordingly.
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Q) If I go into a room, pick up an item and then Scarper / Neverthere, do I get to keep the item?
A) Yes. Despite the fact that time has re-jigged itself, for some reason you still have the item. Its not logical but that the underside for you |
TBH all the time-rejig references get fuzzy. Conversations that happen but never had a chance to do so, items moving when no one has picked them up.
Basically Scarper as a time-rejig has very strange consequences, as effects are triggered by causes that get rewritten but the effects stay?
Why isn't Scarper just a teleport with limitations, and Neverwhere a teleport with memory rewrite as you leave?
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| Trez |
| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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In response
1) Yes. Thats essentially right. We just don't want to let people use it as a teleport spell. it should have some restrictions. Otherwise it makes a lot of the other actions pretty useless. ie. "In Downtime I'd like to use my Scarper ability to go to the location of the Druids head"
2) The ability enables you to not be there any more. People will forget that you were ever in the room, but will remember that you've had that conversation because you will still have had the conversations. Its just that people know that you're not in the room anymore, so its not possible that they've just had that conversation with you. They will justify it in their minds as being something they've discussed with you at a previous time, or perhaps with someone else (perhaps they were mistaken etc)
3) Why isn't Scarper a teleport / Neverthere a teleport with memory wipe? Erm.....dunno. Just that we wrote it the way that it is at the moment. Will have a chat about the this with the other refs when we meet up. It might be better kept simple |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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lord kemp kills some1 in the market truce and then uses the advanced quirk to get away. what happens?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Oddly I think the room would recall the murder occurring elsewhere/elsewhen, so would be recalled as not happening under the Truce. So the body would seem oddly out of place 
Tho no-one in Below would dream of doing such a breach, even if Neverthere means they could get away with it.
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Or they may remember Lord Kemp killing the person in market Truce, just not which market truce and why hasn't the corpse decayed at all, it even seems fresh... thats odd.
Ways to create confusion, it just may work... |
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| zalanntos |
| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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from my reading of the rules.
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Advanced – Neverthere – 1 Willpower to activate
As above but the character can call “Neverthere” and disappear in full sight of everyone. Furthermore those that are present will not even recall that the character was there. They will effectively wipe all knowledge
of the Kemp ever being present. |
then lord kemp was never there. we dont remember him being there. and so he didnt kill the man on the floor.
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| G Kemp |
| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Quirk - Scarper |
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| Trez wrote: |
Q) If I use Neverthere, and some of the people are watching me and some aren't, will those who aren't watching me remember that I was there?
A) No. Using Neverthere, everyone forgets that you were there, even if they weren't paying attention. Essentially time has re-jiggled itself so that the Kemp was never actually present. You'll remember conversations you've had and who you spoke to, but won't remember that the person you had the conversation with was present at that time. |
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| The ability enables you to not be there any more. People will forget that you were ever in the room, but will remember that you've had that conversation because you will still have had the conversations. Its just that people know that you're not in the room anymore, so its not possible that they've just had that conversation with you. They will justify it in their minds as being something they've discussed with you at a previous time, or perhaps with someone else (perhaps they were mistaken etc) |
These indicate the person is not forgotten, merely their presense AT THAT TIME are forgotten, thus people will remember the murder, and who did it, but not WHEN, exactly.
The oddities in this are why I assumed Neverthere worked more as a "Forget it was me" effect on top of a "I'm out of here".
Especially as the causallity of events would make it easy to sidestep the "But when did that happen" effect.
i.e. Person A speaks to Person B, then NeverthereUser1 walks up and kills Person B and uses Neverthere to get away. Person A recalls that NeverthereUser1 did it but not when. But a mild review of his memories shows Person A that NeverthereUser1 must have doen the deed within the last few minutes as they recall speaking to Person B a few minutes ago, which must have been before their death.
While I accept this is an extreme case, it highlights that if you merely "timestamp the memories wrong" you can easily reorder them after the fact to within a few minutes by simply reviewing the data with a "It had to be after this event as he mentioned this, and before that as....". So if NeverthereUser1 is actually going to be 'never there' a "dummy person" really needs to take his/her place in the memories or it will become quite obvious he/she was there, at that time, as it is the only course of events that makes sense.
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| Trez |
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| We're going to be re-jigging some of the rules anyway. I suspect Scarper and Neverthere will be up for amendment |
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